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Tuesday, October 03, 2006

Direction

This campaign has recently been criticised by some service users for too overly focussing on work .I think our focus was unavoidable given the nature of the problem but want to openly respond to the criticism anyway rather than mirror the arrogant and dismissive attitude of the Surrey and Borders NHS Trust and the Sainsbury Centre for Mental Health.

There is disagreement here, lets discuss it.

This is my personal response to the criticism which binds no-one else . I just maintain this blog, which is unmoderated and freely open to anyone to post on, and I am not in the business of telling other people what to think or do. I am nothing, a no-one . This blog is here to represent you. Use it/me for that end. Dont sit back as other people use it and then bitch. Thats dumb.

The campaign was accused of being overly focussed on work.


The Justice for the Surrey and Borders Garden Centre Workers Campaign actively pushed for SABP to asses people on the basis of their needs , abilities and circumstances. Fiona Edwards was directly asked to do this on behalf of the campaign at the recent open public Board meeting and this should be clearly reflected in the minutes.

If this is not minuted I will ask why not as I was the person who raised these issues with Ms Edwards at the meeting.

Everyone had an opportunity to have Fiona , the SABP Chief Executive , address their questions and concerns at the recent Board meeting , there was even a dedicated blog entry to remind people of the deadline to submit them precisely because the Board Meeting fell on the same day as the SABP AGM.

We even opened a room to discuss the questions, it did not work very well but mine were discussed with three other people and coordinated with Jill.

We actively tried to get dissenting voices heard.

The campaign is also a loose collective effort.

For example, another supporter of the campaign is anxious to ask questions at a SABP PPI meeting to be held in Redhill on the 3rd of October. Again, its an opportunity for people to publicly ask questions, particularly as Peter Kinsey's replacement Chris Carter is also going to be there for the sole purpose of answering them.

I am for that.

The Justice for the Surrey & Borders Garden Centre Campaign has always been a broad campaign with as much concern for the general welfare and treatment and care of patients as promoting the national minimum wage and employment rights for service users. Many of the garden centre workers are probably not patients, the criticism was that we failed to see people as patients, they are people with learning difficulties.

We, the majority of people involved with this campaign, largely come at things from a mental health perspective however we need to stop imposing our experiences on everyone – including each other sometimes - and start acknowledging and respecting difference otherwise we could bery quicly find ourselves being accused of disability discrimination as well.

At the Board meeting we asked for more consultation with carers as well. In some campaigns carers are frowned upon however this campaign would never have gotten off the ground if one of the garden center workers parents had not contacted the media and got a article on Surrey & Borders decision to cut the workers £3 a day payments into the local newspaper.

That level of invo;vment should be appauded and we;comed/ i certainly we;come it.

Understandably not everyone is going to be happy with the term 'worker' seemingly being used as a synonym for 'patient' ( in which sphere of life is terminology not a problem?) but that is not what has been happening here , indeed the original issue as reported in the local media, flagged up by a Surrey MP and then raised by Jez Bryce , Silvis and others on various MH boards was about disabled people working in the trusts garden centre and other works services having their £3 daily payments taken from them and being expected to work for nothing.

For that to have happened at all, those disabled people clearly had no rights. Indeed, the SABP Board has since unreservedly apologised and admitted the Trust acted on bad advice and wrongly.

Furthermore it transpired , through a Government Report that Jill dug up, that there was a pattern of this happening to disabled people across the country and this information was not released as a part of some NIMHE conspiracy as some may think as organisations like NIMHE, Trusts , the charities and local authorities were identified and slammed in the report as the very organizations engaged in exploiting disabled people in their workplaces.

Indeed, we have just seen the Sainsbury Centre for Mental Health implicated in this during the modernization and externalization of SABP’s work services , particularly Dr Helen Lockett , who has elsewhere written articles condemning others for doing it.

These organizations don’t want to pay disabled people real wages but they are certainly happy to profit from getting real work off them as I discovered recently when a friend of mine who has been working as an IT assistant for the same well known charity for the last five years ( he even designed the database component of the charity’s website ) was given the task of printing off the new Directors introductory speech which praised everybody who worked for the charity except its ‘ volunteers’.

How can a national charity have unemployed disabled volunteers ( or any other for that matter ) working for them for five years without so much as a contract.

It’s a national disgrace as there’s nothing charitable about that kind of exploitation.

Ditto for many services and voluntary sector training schemes. They are not professionally operated or recognized schemes at all. Disabled people should have access to quality professional training and receive payment at the minimum wage level of the equivalent of an education grant as they are trained.

Being disabled and unemployed should not fear their situation screams out ‘ Hey come make some money off me pretending to train me or find me a job’.

Disabled people shouldn’t just be targetted by Government Departments, services or charities just because they are on benefits either. Not all disabled people are service users in the sense the term has been bandied around in this thread and not all service users are going to benefit from employment and training schemes either. Most people understand this.

But lets make one thing clear, it costs services and charities next to nothing to operate cheap employment and training programs where disabled people work or train for nothing and have no contractual or other rights, so it seems to me that we best protect disabled people from being abused in these schemes by ensuring that the minimum wage is paid as Trusts and charities arent going to be that keen to pay people more to get them off a lesser amount in benefits if they know there is little chance of doing so anyway.

At the moment it pays services and the charities to do this because they get funded by the DWP and other bodies and the disabled workers and trainees arent a cost. The introduction of the national minimum wage though would, through the price mechanism , prompt services and the charities to better target this provision at people who actually wanted and were clearly able to benefit from it.

More to the point, just expecting people to be nice and kind clearly hasnt worked here has it? nor has the PPI mechanism or any of the other costly bureaucratic nonsense which is supposed to be in place to protect disabled people as workers or patients.

There were no protections in place here.

Thats why this blog exists and why different people bring different skills , abilities, experiences , concerns and ways of doing things to the campaign. I hope people will continue to do this and as long as they do this blog is going to remain online.

4 Comments:

At 11:31 pm, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not fearing where angels dare to tread (am in no way angel like so no issue for me) I think the campaign has done great things.

Not just in getting the £3 a day reimbursed. Whether people think that is a decent enough wage for the work or not....it is a damn site better than being paid nothing. It is more that it has made people aware of the bigger issues.

Maybe alot of people were anyway..but it got me thinking and rethinking..and I find that healthy.

What, I think, is important about this is that it provides an open arena for people to express their concerns and views. Would be nice to see more people doing so.

I hear so many moans about how unfairly people are being treated, how unjust the systems are...almost daily and I would like to see some expression of these in more open forums. If the systems (those who work them) see and hear these views, and not in isolation, they might give them more than a passing grunt of a response.

Mandy
http://mandylifeboatsahoy1.blogspot.com

 
At 2:40 am, Blogger simply human said...

Yes it would be nice to see the mainstream MH interests take up the issue of how they are exploiting service users in their workplaces. It would also be nice if they stopped targetting people on benefits as well.

We've come a long way on this blog, and we've had great input from everyone . We've also had a few problemes recently but on reflection I've been as much at fault as anyone else. I'm sorry about that and want to make things better,and the different people who have helped with this campaign Jill, Kim, Silvis,Rose etc. to keep on contributing and doing their stuff and not feeling that there is some corporate view here.

 
At 8:46 am, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not sure if this campaign is responsible for getting the disabled workers their £3 a day back but we certainly worked together in an independent but collaborative way trying. Without us here to question and embarass the officials the matter might have been put in the 'we have got away with it' files up at SABP and forgotten.
Now I asked for a minimum wage investigation to be carried out on the Priority enterprises including the garden centre some months ago and I also asked for the results of that investigation to be made public in my freedom of information act questions to SABP. I am still waiting for their response. I believe it is a matter of law rather than of opinion that the minimum wage be paid. In other words I believe it is illegal not to pay them the minimum wage. According to the law as it stands they may be able to do some volunteer work alongside their paid employment or classified as full time volunteers who are paid only expenses or as full time workers but the £3 a day payment itself contravenes the minimum wage act. Another alternative is that plans to sell off the centre to an external provider like the Richmond Fellowship who will turn it into a training centre where noone gets paid anything will go ahead. So despite the return of the £3 a day payment to the disabled workers their future is no more certain or secure than when we started this campaign.
Some of their future prospects like the payment of the minimum wage or not will be decided as a matter of law and others will be made as a result of policy decisions up at SABP.
Now it is not surprising that the individuals on this campaign have some different opinions about what those policies should be. While learning about the issues involved and the national as well as local situation I have personally been shocked by a number of different situations that have come to light. From general discrimination towards disabled people in work to the way the charities operate in secrecy and are able to exploit rather than help the disabled people they claim to be in existance to support to the fact that the law is being broken and there is a national pattern of not paying the minimum wage to disabled people in work. All these things and more besides I find shocking. Other people on this campaign have developed other areas of concern including the concern which I share that disabled people and I think we are mainly refering to mental health service users like us here could be forced into work that they cannot cope with by over zealous government policies to get disabled people off benefits.
I do not believe a drive to get greater opportunities and policies designed to end discrimination and inequality in work for disabled people is incompatible with good care for those who feel unable to work for whatever reasons.
Neither do I believe having different opinions needs affects the way we campaign because we have always each campaigned independently on the issues that have gained our attention most and can continue to raise the concerns we wish. The blog owner has managed to keep a harmonious atmosphere going between us all in this loose collaborative effort which has been entirely unmoderated for several months. But over the weekend he was forced to take sides in a matters which are after all only that of differences in opinion. In mad circles these differences of opinion can get out of proportion and turn into arguments. In fact this campaign has been remarkable in being so harmonious for so long. I think it is a tribute to the blog owner that has been the case and that it is extremely unfair of us to have forced him into a position of taking sides when he has said all along 'take your protest and concerns to the authorities' and provided all the links to make it easier to do just that. After all it is the system and it's policies we are campaigning against not each other. I would like to thank the blog owner for all the free work he has done over these last months keeping the campaign together and I hope the effort will be worthwhile in terms of future reforms we will see being made in the system. I intend to go on campaigning on the issues that I have seen come out of a local newspaper story about disabled workers being deprived of £3 a day and being made to work hard for nothing. I believe it is in the best intersts of those disabled workers and all of us who are also disabled to carry on.

 
At 4:56 pm, Blogger simply human said...

I think we are all learning new lessons as so much of what we are doing is new territory , like running an almost entirely online campaign and everyone mucking in and constantly thinking up new ways to get the message out there.

It's certainly telling that the issues raised on this blog and off of it by supporters of the campaign havent been touched by the salaried users and MH charities.

And is it any wonder!

Take a look at the pack of Wolves disguised as charitable sheep.

The Sainsbury Centre for Mental Health , a busybody organisation connected to the Sainsbury supermarket millions whose academics probably get bonus airmiles for everyone they f*** over.

The Richmond Fellowship, a secretive charity out to gets its grubby unaccountable mits on to the Old Moat Garden Centre.

SLIMHE

The SABP PPI.

I guess we just need to remember that we can make a difference together and not overly beat ourselves up over the occasional inevitable fall outs. I mean, I bet there were some real fireworks over Kinsey being drop kickout out of the SABP stadium and I'm still chuckling from the caning Fiona handed out to the sullen Board last week , I think the last time many of the besuited ladies and gentlemen present go a wigging like that was probably when they were at school.

The old biddy beside Fiona was incandescent, and almost snarled back at obe user who asked her a question.

So there you have it, corporations can screw up and come apart at the seams a little bit too but we arent a corporation , nor do we have a corporate worldview and in a sense we are all intuitively groping to wards a principled decision of whats right through a moral haze made even more difficult to navigate because nothing is ever what it appears to be in the crazy world of services.

To be honest, I'm surpised a lot of us havent become crazier more often dealing with this crap day in and day out.

So yeah, I think we should all set our difference aside and do a group hug and finish up with doing the Hakka, the traditional Maori psyche up dance that finishes with people waving their hands over their ears and sticking out their tongues at the opposition.

Try it it'll make you feel so much better......

 

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